Orangcrest under $100s/f

It's been a while since I took a peak in Orangecrest. I thought I would see what was listed under $100 s/f. The last time I checked there wasn't much under $100 s/f but there was a lot around there. Now I see some of the larger homes are actually under $90 s/f (REOs). Big homes were BIG cash cows for builders. Which is why they built so many of them. But now that the banks own them, big homes are BIG liabilities and to get rid of them the prices need to right.

9543 Newbridge is a newer Centex home with 4194 sq/ft. It has 5 bedrooms and 4.5 baths. These were nice looking homes, I remember looking at them when they were selling in early 06. This house sold new in May 06 for $710k. It's now offered for $343K or $82 sq/ft. In case your math skills aren't up to snuff, that's about 52% off the original selling price.


A fluke? well, not really. There are 3 others in this same tract selling around the same price per sq/ft. 9528 Los Coches is a new listing and another REO. This one is even bigger at 4479 s/f. It has 6 bedrooms and 4.5 baths. This one sold new in Jan 06 for $732k. It's now listed for $375k or $84 s/f.


Too big for ya? OK, here's something a touch smaller. 19506 Lurin Ave, just barely qualifies as a McMansion in my book (over 3500 s/f). It squeeks in at 3685 s/f, with 6 bedrooms and 4.5 baths. This one was purchased new in Dec 05 for $622k and now it's offered for $315k or $85 s/f. It say's it needs some TLC whatever that means. So it might be missing some stuff or maybe it just needs carpet and paint.


What, still too big? Ok lets drop down to closer to 3000 s/f. I can still find some nice choices here but most of them are short sales. There are a few REO's to choose from though. 9406 Darby Ct is a 2870 s/f home with 4 bedrooms and 2.5 baths. This was a Fox and Jacobs home, which is the low end Centex brand name. These homes were outfitted with "builder grade" amenities. In other words, all the stuff inside was cheap. Cheap cabinets, cheap carpet, tile, fixtures etc. Don't expect to see Viking appliances in one of these homes. Never the less they still sold at ridiculous prices. It doesn't say what this gem went for new but you can bet it was north of $500k. It's now listed (REO) for $270k or $94 s/f. Too much in my opinion given the low quality of these homes.



I'm going to end this here. I could go on for a long time because there's really quite a lot of them now. As you can see, the sub $100 s/f wave is steadily making it's way West. The sub $80 s/f ripple should be hitting those big homes soon enough. How low will it go? Well, that's the million dollar question, isn't it? As long as the economy and employment are heading south prices will too.

back to 1996

Anyone watch the stock market these days, or is it too painfull? The Dow is back to Oct 96 levels! It's currently at 6800. You think the housing market is bad. The high for the Dow was Oct 2007 at 14,146. It's now at 6763. That's a loss of 53%! And the large financial companies are STILL carrying all that toxic crap.

Last year I thought the Dow would bottom around 7500. In anticipation of this I moved all my 401k investments to the safest fixed income accounts I could. That probably saved my 40 to 50% of my retirement savings (what little I have). I thought my predictions were probably on the pessimistic side but as we can see I was actually overly optimistic. Has the Dow bottomed out? It's hard for me to see how it could have. With all those toxic assets still littering the books of the major financial institutions and the economy falling apart faster than a Kia, it's a little hard to believe the bottom is here.

If you really want to be depressed watch Dr. Doom (Roubini)


So who the hell is buying homes in this environment?

Makes sense to me.


Here's another main stream media article on the insanity of the current crop of bailouts. It explains why the government bailouts are the wrong thing to do, and why. It also does it in simple terms. Simple enough for even a politician to understand. Even though there is no hope they will actually read this and understand it.

Bailing out homeowners is a mistake

CAMBRIDGE, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Later this week, the Obama administration will announce the details of its Homeowner Affordability and Stability Plan, an attempt to rescue homeowners from the housing meltdown that precipitated the financial crisis.

The plan uses $275 billion in taxpayer funds to help homeowners refinance at lower interest rates and to subsidize payments from borrowers to lenders. The plan also contains new capital injections for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and it gives bankruptcy judges power to reduce mortgage payments from borrowers to lenders.

This plan is exactly the wrong medicine for the economy. Here's why.

The plan's primary aim is to reduce foreclosures so that delinquent or near-delinquent borrowers can stay in their homes. This might sound like a worthy goal, but it ignores a fundamental reality: Government cannot produce the funds out of thin air; it must raise them from taxpayers.

So government payments to troubled borrowers come from people who did not stretch their finances to buy homes, or who bought small, less expensive homes, or who economized on other expenses. That is, the plan penalizes cautious taxpayers to bail out those who took bigger risks.

This does not mean delinquent borrowers were all irresponsible or ill-intentioned; many were just too optimistic. At the end of the day, however, borrowers should have suspected that mortgage loans with limited down payments and no requirements to document income, or that made little sense unless housing prices increased continually, were probably too good to be true, as they were.

nsisting that borrowers, not taxpayers, bear the consequences of these questionable decisions would provide the right incentives for appropriate risk-taking. This applies to homeowners and bankers alike.

Advocates of the president's plan will respond with two arguments. The first is that foreclosures are bad not just for borrowers but for surrounding neighborhoods as well.

The White House, for example, says that "each foreclosed home reduces nearby property values by as much as 9 percent." This is a heroic reading of the evidence; the best and most recent studies find a much lower number -- like 1 to 1.5 percent.

Even this amount is uncertain, since it is difficult to determine whether foreclosures cause home values to decline, or vice versa. Thus the beneficial spillover from reducing foreclosures has been grossly exaggerated.

More generally, nothing in this plan is likely to prevent a continued downward movement in housing prices, given the ongoing weakness of the economy and the fact that, by historical benchmarks, housing prices are still above their sustainable level. Attempts to prop up housing prices, moreover, are counterproductive since they encourage allocating too much of America's capital to housing.

The second argument made for preventing foreclosures is that loan modifications -- reduced payments of interest or principal -- can benefit lenders as well as borrowers because foreclosure is costly for lenders.

If this is the case, however, then renegotiation is mutually beneficial and likely to occur without government intervention. The difficulty is that many securitized mortgages -- those that have been bundled with other mortgages and sold as a package to investors -- place limits on loan modifications.

The fact that existing contract terms are no longer seen as ideal, however, does not justify the use of taxpayer funds. The limits on modifications in securitized mortgages are there for a reason: to protect investors against modifications that might be excessive.

The fact that investors were able to include such features means that, on average, borrowers received lower interest rates than otherwise. Thus helping out borrowers now is again rewarding those who took calculated risks but do not want to accept the downside of agreements they earlier accepted.

The claim that loan modifications are good for both lender and borrower, moreover, is readily used as an excuse to cram lower repayments down the throats of lenders, even when this is just a rip-off from lenders to borrowers.

Since housing prices are likely to decline further, and since the economy is in recession, many borrowers are unlikely to make their payments consistently, even if their loan values or interest rates are reduced. Loan modification therefore just pushes defaults down the road.

The worst implication of the administration's plan is that it will make future lenders wonder whether they can rely on the contracts they sign or instead see them renegotiated in hard economic times. If they fear this latter outcome, the logical response is to lend only to the most deserving borrowers, which adversely affects households with reasonable but less-than-perfect credit histories. This is also why rewriting bankruptcy rules on existing mortgages is undesirable; it has a chilling effect on future lending.

The desire to reduce foreclosures is also misguided because it perpetuates a flawed government policy: the attempt to expand homeownership. This long-standing U.S. obsession distorts market efficiency by shifting capital toward housing and away from factories or research and development.

Thus rather than continuing this goal by giving more money to Fannie and Freddie, policymakers should eliminate those institutions along with all the other policies that favor homeownership.

It was precisely government policies that encourage homeownership, combined with past bailouts of private risk-taking, that generated the financial crisis in the first place. The Obama plan to help homeowners will exacerbate this problem and generate a larger one in the future. It is time to learn from our mistakes.

Give up dood


This listing could win awards in multiple categories, such as, most overpriced, longest days on market, Delusional seller, etc.

2902 Vandermolen in Norco is a 4400 sq/ft house with 5 bedrooms and 4.5 baths. The house its self looks very nice. It should since it's never been lived in. But the backyard has had ZERO done to it. They added a little landscaping out front but that's about it. The house was purchased in June 2006 for $1093k (1.1 million). This was obviously an investor trying to make a quick buck since it was never occupied. It went on the market 1 year later, mid 2007. By then though the market had already begun to implode. It's now been on the market for 571 days and they as still trying to actually make a profit on this thing. They did recently reduce the asking price from 1.38 million down to 1.26 Million. This one is just mind boggling. The really amazing thing is that the agent has had multiple open houses on this place. Why bother? It's nearly 3 times the price it should be, there's no way anyone could get a loan on it because the appraisal is going to come in some where around $500k. So the only hope is some cash buyer. And anyone with 1.25 million in the bank is not stupid enough to spend it on a house worth $500k.

What's it worth? My guess is they could get about $500k for it. I doubt they would get much more than that. And personally I think that's too much considering there is nothing in the back. Anyone want to call in a $400k offer just for kicks?